October 10, 2007 1:37 PM PDT

Blu-ray vs. HD DVD: War without end

UNIVERSAL CITY, Calif.--What if somebody started a format war and nobody came?

That was the question posed at the opening session of the DisplaySearch's 5th Annual HDTV Conference here. The much-hyped battle between opposing next-generation packaged media formats HD DVD and Blu-ray Disc still has no clear winner. Each of the panelists onhand to hash out the question of which side will prevail predictably had an agenda--to explain why his camp will win.

While there was no answer, several things became more clear: Studios have learned some lessons over the past year, and both sides are still essentially guessing as to what will be most compelling to consumers. Adoption of next-generation players and media is still low compared with standard-definition fare, though consumer recognition of all things high-definition is growing, which should benefit both sides.

Talk of this so-called war isn't new. But as more consumers buy high-definition television sets, and as the prices of next-generation set-top boxes and players come down and more people are exposed to the marketing push for high-definition discs from movie studios, retailers and hardware makers, they will be faced with a choice. Remaining neutral, though, is still what many are choosing.

Since this time last year, there's been some shift in the landscape of high-definition media. One of the most highly publicized changes was Paramount's decision to back off its Switzerland-like approach of offering its content on both formats and focus exclusively on HD DVD. The shift had a significant impact--at the very least on the perception of the format war, which up until that point appeared to be favoring Blu-ray.

"We can use HD discs to train consumers to move into digital, but it's a transition."
--Dan Silverberg, vice president of high-definition media development, Warner Bros.

For the record, Paramount Executive Vice President Allen Bell said the decision "didn't have much to do with the format war," but rather observations of the industry dynamics. (However, The New York Times reported that Paramount and Dreamworks Animation had both been paid off to choose HD DVD.)

"Up until (the) launch of two formats you could do an analysis and it was fundamentally a PowerPoint deck...more or less a white paper," Bell said. "We were the first company that went ahead and said, we're going to try both. A year later...does it become a good consumer proposition?" Compatibility, as well as consistency of the players from competing manufacturers and content availability led the studio to HD DVD, he said.

Though Paramount might think it has picked a winner, consumer polling by The NPD Group doesn't back up that decision. There are still plenty of factors holding up the next-generation packaged media industry as a whole.

Though NPD is forecasting that more than 1 million next-generation players will be sold and 400 movie titles released next year, there still doesn't appear to be a stated demand from consumers for high-definition DVDs. According to an NPD poll, 66 percent of respondents said they're not likely to buy a high-definition player in the next six months. "We've been seeing this over and over and over again," said Russ Crupnick, a senior industry analyst for NPD.

Besides intent to buy being low, standard-definition DVDs are just fine with most consumers. "Unfortunately, we developed the perfect product (with the DVD)," Crupnick said. "We've got to overcome the fact that we're competing against a wonderful product that's in 80 percent of households." Upconverting DVD players--players that translate standard-definition discs to output them in high-definition--cost significantly less (around $60) than HD DVD and Blu-ray players, which go for between $200 and $800.

But DVD wasn't a perfect product in the beginning, which several of the panelists were quick to point out. In fact, it was the one thing they could all agree on.

"When DVD first launched it was anything but the perfect product," recalled Andy Parsons, a Pioneer executive and chairman of the Blu-ray Disc Association. "There were many doubters that said there was little chance of overtaking VHS."

As HDTV adoption continues to creep up (8 out of 10 television purchases last month were high-definition sets, according to NPD), the number also represents potential consumers of next-generation players, because they have the displays to take advantage of high-definition content. But how to persuade consumers, first, to decide to buy a next-generation player and, second, to choose a side?

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Toshiba HD DVD Player Number Three on Most Wanted Christmas List!
by richto October 10, 2007 1:56 PM PDT
The Toshiba HD DVD Player is number 3 on the Best Selling Gadgets in the run up to Christmas according to this evenings TheLondonPaper

Figures from Comet.

Number one is the iPod touch 8GB.
Number two is the Carlsberg DraughtMaster
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Its not rocket science
by jflowrey October 10, 2007 1:56 PM PDT
1-Price- get to the lowest price for the hardware fastest.
2-Content- You have to have the movies that people want to watch.

Way too simple
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Cost of player is not the problem
by gnutux October 10, 2007 2:12 PM PDT
Just like having cheap printers, it can be cheap itself, but the ink is expensive. Same thing with HD media, sure the player is still expensive than DVD players, but the discs themselves are still expensive. They haven't lowered the media cost, they only lowered the machine price. Until they lower it more, I won't be buying a HD-DVD drive/player, let alone a Bluray drive/player (I don't support BD).
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I'm not paying for DRM
by timothywmurray October 10, 2007 2:14 PM PDT
I am sure that the entire premise of this article is nonsense. Consumers (me) won't spend money for devices that make DVDs disposable. I might buy metro card with limited value and throw it away when it is used up. But I'm not going to spend hundreds of dollars for a player and then each time I have new content for the player there are a limited number of times I can transfer it from device to device in my home before it becomes a coaster. thats just wrong. And I won't spend money for it.

The future of home entertainment is a hard drive that can be played in many rooms on many screens. Hard drive fail and hard drives need to be backed up and the hard ware that hard drives are attached to become obsolete. If I want to rent content I will rent it. DRM is not something I plan to pay for.
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It's NOT a format war!
by timaeus77 October 10, 2007 2:46 PM PDT
This is a CONTENT war, not a format war. We are being asked to
choose between two incompatible bodies of content - movies.
This is different than VHS vs. Beta, a true format war. There both
hardware formats had virtually the same set of available movies
to watch. We simply watched whatever movie we wanted,
regardless of format.
Now we are being asked to choose one group of movies and
exclude the other. Worse, we have no idea what desirable
movies are going to be made & released in the future- much
lees on which format.
Who cares, or even knows, which studio is going to relelease
which movie in which format - Blu-Ray or HD-DVD; we just want
to watch whichever movie we like. Trying to force consumers to
reject one group of movies by accepting the other group
because the players are incompatible is not a war that is
winnable by either side. We'll just continue to watch SD-DVD.
Unless, like me, you just bought an LG combo player thaqt plays
both formats.
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These formats are infested with tons of DRM, stay away
by bobby_brady October 10, 2007 3:01 PM PDT
It's best if the studios just eat it on this format. Way too much DRM for me. Any suckers who want to buy into the hype and crap, well go away and waste your money. The quality isn't that big of a difference and as I stated, the DRM issues.
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Its all stupid
by xanadul October 10, 2007 3:02 PM PDT
Just greedy corp. ppl want ppl to buy both players or buy a duel one since they don't know which will win. If i get one anytime soon ill just get a duel one so it no problem. Its truly unfair for ppl who don't know better and buy a blue ray but there favorite movie is HD-DVD it would be enough to just hate the movie companies as much as I hate the RIAA
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HD vs Blu-Ray
by clarencephil October 10, 2007 3:18 PM PDT
These companies should know better. They only have to look back to the VHS vs Beta debacle.
Until they finish playing their little game, I'm not buying !
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Until Apple sets the STANDARD, nobody goes forward.
by OS11 October 10, 2007 3:18 PM PDT
I've been watching the Blue/HD standard debate for 2 years, but people forget, Apple sets these kinds of standards, and so far they have been SILENT.

So until Apple makes their final choice, nobody can move forward.

Chances are high the PLASTIC CD/DVD/HDDVD is Dead!

Just like Apple created and killed the Floppy & CD for PCs, they are about to kill the last vestige of spinning PLASTIC and go directly to WIRELESS.

No need for a rotating PLASTIC Disk in this age.

THINK about it!

So Apple may have already played its cards, thus no format will survive going forward.

Only Apple has enough market power to decide this debate, and "silence" spells "wireless".

End of GAME

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DiVx is the best format.
by t8 October 10, 2007 3:21 PM PDT
It just works on my DVD player and computer.

No issues, no annoying nag screens, and no zones to worry about.

It works, it's good enough and that is all I need.
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300 2 - 1 ?
by hddvdGuy October 10, 2007 3:23 PM PDT
I wanted a copy of 300 the day it came out on HD-DVD, unfortunately it was sold out everywhere! There were plenty of Blu-Ray copies, though. I couldn't find a copy for almost 2 weeks. It only sold 2 - 1 on Blu-Ray because the big name stores didn't have enough of 300 on HD-DVD in stock.
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I am an early adopter and I will not buy either
by sabot96 October 10, 2007 3:24 PM PDT
I refuse to buy a technology that is broken from the box. If it does not put out maximum resolution from each of it's video ports it is broken.
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North America... WAKE UP!
by ikbradley October 10, 2007 3:44 PM PDT
This fight is absurd. Since when did Toshiba become anything other than a third-tier electronics manufacture? They are the only producer of HD-DVD, unless you feel like counting Venturer and LG's dual-player.

Toshiba did one thing right and that was to create a final specification. The BDA has fallen down by failing to require full BD+ Java support and ethernet. However, the product itself is superior. Each layer holds more and the actual discs themselves are higher quality. Aside from the Prestige incident, the discs are nearly indestructable, unlike HD-DVD. The scratch resistent coating is a big plus.

Overall the studios supported by Blu-ray are just better. More action movies and then there are some of the classics like Bergman. Aside from Bourne Trilogy and Transformers, there isn't too much to miss on the action front. Without the okay of Spielberg, Coppola, and Ridley Scott, HD-DVD is missing out on a lot of great action directors.
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you get the crown
by FutureGuy October 10, 2007 3:44 PM PDT
...the the fanboy crown that is.
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The key differentiator would be a single format
by meh130 October 10, 2007 4:45 PM PDT
This format war is asinine. The video industry should know better.

Ultimately, cable-based video on demand might be the ultimate winner. Remember that old Quest commercial, where they guy checks into the motel, and asks the clerk what was available on the room TVs?

"All rooms have every movie ever made in every language anytime."

In another few years, Comcast and the rest of the cable vendors will have that. And the idiots at Blu-ray and HD-DVD will have blown their chance by stalling their market.
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Answer: Neither of 'em.
by Penguinisto October 10, 2007 4:48 PM PDT
The vast majority of people still have the old plain-jane vanilla DVD players... good luck trying to convince 'em to give that up, what with the vast majority of folks also watching those movies on tube-based television sets.

No, the convincing will have to be done of the early-adopter set... not "consumers", who couldn't care less about which format to use until they finally decide to start buying 'em.

It was the same way with VHS vs. Beta... most people didn't care because they didn't have a VCR. When the bulk of consumers finally decided to buy one, the format wars were over as far as tapes were concerned.

/P
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Why Are People Not Adopting High Definition Dvds
by tqat25 October 10, 2007 5:32 PM PDT
In the article the comment is made that the reason people aren't adopting the new high definition formats is because people are satisfied with dvd and it's a perfect product. I don't believe that's the reason at all. The price and the fact that consumers have to choose between 2 formats, one of which may become obsolete is the reason. If you give the consumer a reasonable price and 1 format that is supported by all movie studios, dvd would quickly become a thing of the past, because standard dvd is inferior to high definition. People are always looking for the next best thing, but you have to make it a no brainer and right now it's far from that. It really bugs me when articles like this always seem to slant the blame toward the consumer for lack of sales. I think people would very much like more hd content, but not by the rules they have to play by now. Change the rules, make this a no lose situation for the consumer, and they will come in droves. Unfortunately for the consumer, there are millions, perhaps billions of dollars at stake here for these companys. So neither one, Blue-ray or Hd Dvd is going down silently. That's really the bottom line as to why there is this format war and the majority of consumers are not biting. There really needs to be no more analysis then that. Too much money is at stake, and in the mean time the vast majority of consumers lose. So in my opinion at some point there is going to have to be some sort of compromise by the greedy manufacturers of these formats, or everyone will lose.
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HD DVD . . . will win, eventually .
by geoffrey in Oz October 10, 2007 5:52 PM PDT
HD DVD has no region coding. This *is* very importantant for the non-USA consumers.

HD DVD costs less to manufacture.

HD DVD is better picture quality. BluRay is still doing MPEG2. HD DVD is doing VC1 or H264 (but support MPEG2 as well).

HD DVD is better sound quality. Decode of lossless Dolby HD is mandatory for HD DVD (not so for BluRay). Dolby Digital Plus is 3 Mbps for HD DVD, 1.7 Mbps for Bluray.

I still won't buy anything until I see a winner emerge (these things don't always go the way logic suggests they should). But I doubt anyone outside the USA is hoping for a BluRay win.
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No way HD-DVD is going to win the war
by sasper October 10, 2007 5:59 PM PDT
How many movies studio did Sony own and also PS3 w/blue-ray built in. That is at lease 40% of the movies that will never release on HD-DVD. If Sony did not own any movies studio it will make a lot different.
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I BOUGHT BOTH !!
by David Kelson October 10, 2007 8:12 PM PDT
Simple-I bought both formats and I am enjoying a constant stream
of movies in high-definition. By the time the dust settles my
machines will have paid for themselves many times over and they
will probably be worn out and need to be replaced anyway. Best
regards, David
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