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July 7, 2008 12:08 PM PDT

My Comcast + TiVo box may soon become Comcast - TiVo

What I didn't see yesterday: the end of the Wimbledon men's final.

(Credit: CBS Sports)

It's being hailed as the greatest Wimbledon final in history. This is a tennis tournament that has been played since 1877, and supposedly yesterday's five-set match between Roger Federer and Rafael Nadal topped them all. I say supposedly because my Comcast + TiVo box decided that midway through the fifth set was a good time to stop recording the match. This is merely the latest but--since I'm one of the 12 tennis fans left in this country--certainly the most annoying of the bugs I've encountered with Comcast + TiVo service over the past month. If the promised software update isn't rolled out before the fall TV season, I'm going to return to the old Comcast DVR service.

Back to yesterday. I picked up the action in the fourth set (my tennis fandom is offset by fatherhood) and starting recording at the beginning of the fifth set with the intention of watching the conclusion at my leisure--after dinner was consumed and kids put to bed. I actually recorded the program after Wimbledon since the match had been delayed earlier by rain. I padded the recording with an extra 2 hours, knowing that one does not play fifth set tiebreakers at Wimbledon. I was confident I had given myself more than enough space to capture the end of the match. Later, I returned to my 2 hour and 28 minute recording to watch the exciting conclusion only to find the recording cut out after about 10 minutes--at 3-3 in the fifth set. The green status bar at the bottom of the screen showed I had more than two hours remaining on the recording, but it wouldn't move past 3-3 in the fifth set. I reset the box--something I've done regularly the past five weeks--hoping it would allow me to access the rest of the recording. No luck.

In the two years using Comcast's own DVR service, I never had a recording fouled up like this. Comcast's DVR had its problems, but it proved to be a reliable recorder of shows--a key element to any digital video recorder in my estimation. Comcast + TiVo suffers from the same bugs as my old DVR service but adds new and interesting bugs. Like Comcast DVR, Comcast + TiVo freezes, stores up the 18 commands I entered in frustration on the remote during the freeze before unleashing a fury of rapid actions. Like Comcast DVR's series recording, TiVo's Season Pass also records three Daily Shows and three Countdown with Keith Olbermann shows per day, even though I set it up to record first-run only in both cases. (Comcast + TiVo does automatically create a folder of any show of which you have more than one episode recorded to help keep things organized.)

On to the new and interesting Comcast + TiVo bugs; let me tell you about them.

Turning on the TV has become a thrilling roll of the dice. Aside from the expected picture of live TV, the many outcomes upon powering on the set include a blank, black screen; a frozen screen--often of a channel I never watch or one that I don't subscribe to; a blank screen with the message "Cannot display live TV"; and a tiny image of live TV in the upper-right corner of my screen.

Big TV, tiny image: one of the many bugs with Comcast + TiVo service.

(Credit: Matt Elliott/CNET Networks)

This last outcome is most intriguing. I can change the channel, and receive both audio and video, but the picture remains stuck in the tiny preview box from the "TiVo Central" screen--which is even smaller than the preview box on the channel guide. It defeats the purpose of owning an HDTV, to be sure. Starting an On Demand program and then returning to live TV sometimes fixes the problem; failing that, I must reset the cable box by unplugging it and plugging it back in before I get a picture. The reverse of the resizing problem also crops up from time to time, where the TV picture gets stuck in full-screen mode. It's less of a problem but means it doesn't resize itself to fit inside the preview box of the channel guide.

Unplugging the cable box to reset it corrects the blank and frozen screens, too, but it also means I must reprogram my remote each time I do. I've committed the 30-second skip code to memory at this point: Rewind > Slow > Fast Forward > Play > 3 > 0 > Advance.

Two things I don't like about the remote: there are no one-day forward and back buttons, and the Select and On Demand buttons are too close to one another. The Comcast DVR remote had buttons that let you jump forward (and back) 24 hours, which was convenient when hunting for a show or confirming that I did in fact have Lost set to record on Thursday. You can jump forward to a particular time and day and channel with TiVo, but it's not as simple as jumping forward 24 hours at the press of a button. And with the On Demand button located in the center of the remote and directly below the select button, I frequently enter the On Demand screen by accident. The slowness of the TiVo interface only exacerbates this error.

... and wait... and wait... and wait...

(Credit: Matt Elliott/CNET Networks)

As I discovered on day one, the Comcast + TiVo box is painfully slow. Navigating the channel guide requires a large dose of patience, and setting a recording takes roughly a minute for the command to register. In one case, the "Please Wait" screen lasted 2 minutes, 14 seconds. With my old Comcast DVR, you could set a recording in less than 5 seconds.

My contacts at Comcast and TiVo tell me that a software update is in the works, but they've been vague on timing. "Coming soon" is as close to a date as I've received. I hope it arrives before the finals of the U.S. Open in September.

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by jakebala July 7, 2008 12:45 PM PDT
I am truly truly sorry. I myself being one of the few did sit around (even during the rain delay) and waited for the epic return.

Some people would've turned the tv off after the second set meltdown of Federer but I, having seen Roddick's comeback live and in person years ago in the semi-finals of the US Open knew that Federer wouldn't let down (which he ended up doing in the fifth, a shame too).

Anyway, I also have been having problems with my Comcast DVR, I chose not to get +Tivo b/c it didn't give me the things I wanted from a Tivo, for example: Amazon Unbox and online scheduling of shows. But for some awkward reason the cable box will decide that any program (no matter how long or short or HD or SD) will take up 30% of my hard drive space immediately as if 30 is the new 0. This really sucks cause I tape about 3 hrs of content every day (some of which are repeats due to comcast's crappy guide).

Anyway, if anyone's heard of these problems or want to comment on Comcast's crappiness, comment back. And fyi, as soon as there are 2-way cablecards so I can get onDemand on a Tivo, I am totally buying Tivo HD!!!!
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by brandonh33 July 7, 2008 12:53 PM PDT
Most of your complaints are either similar to ones with the current regular comcast DVR, or seriously not that big of a deal. One thing you also have to remember is that TiVo for Comcast is merly the equivlent of a public beta. Now you tell me the reason people have public betas. Just a little background with my comcast experiance, in the last 2 years I have gone through 6 cable dvrs. Some software related some hardware related. I finally have a box that I can at least live with currently. I have had it for about 4 months. Some recordings start when I tell them to do, others freeze up my dvr like yours for about 3 minutes. With my experiance comcast boxes will record all of what you want reliably about 95% of the time, which is terrible. On average I unplug it once a week because of errors that pop up. And the button command delay where it processes 20 commands about 20 minutes after you do them happens about once every two days. These are just the basic problems that have been ordinary on every one of my comcast boxes. From listening to you even the beta of tivo+comcast sounds better than what I have now. Your miniscule complaints are for many only a dream as we take our 8th box back to the comcast building to pick up yet another dud.
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by pkscout July 7, 2008 1:58 PM PDT
Maybe you should consider TiVo - Comcast instead. I think you'll find most of your issues are related to the underpowered DVR hardware Comcast provides. You can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.
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by Kduffey July 7, 2008 2:13 PM PDT
Don't blame TiVo! My Tivo3 and my bedroom Tivo II both recorded everything great. I have heard mumblings from friends about the Comcast box being buggy. Go buy a true Tivo box, you won't regret it.
I would like to see comcast and Tivo get the bugs worked out on the Comcast hardware, it can do nothing but help both companies provide a much needed service for us working/family folks.
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by tagrobicki July 7, 2008 2:18 PM PDT
I currently use both a Series 2 and Series 3 HD box from TIVO with my Comcast cable service. I have never experienced the kind of issues described in the article, so it sounds to me like the Comcast box is in serious need of a software update. I have never had to reset my TIVO boxes. I run both of my TIVO boxes with a UPS so that they are somewhat protected from power outages. My series three had a bad disk drive after a couple of months, and it behaved poorly until they swapped out the unit. Of course, I have to pay extra for my programming from TIVO, but I find that it is worth it.
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by Makesomething July 7, 2008 2:23 PM PDT
Very weird. See, I have Comcast and the Comcast DVR. And the SAME THING HAPPENED. It was 5-5 in the fifth set, and just stopped recording. (Nothing like choosing a dull moment, huh?) So I'm wondering if it's Comcast, not Tivo + that was the problem?
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by dsbrady July 7, 2008 2:45 PM PDT
Regarding both boxes recording extra Daily Show episodes, that's not a bug. That's a byproduct of the Program Guide not always having information as to whether it's a repeat or not, especially with the Daily Show. Very often with the daily rebroadcasts, the program guide just has that it's a generic Daily Show episode. Since it doesn't know if it's "first-run" or not, it errs on the side of caution and records it. It's better to record an extra show than to miss one it should record.
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by jhballar July 7, 2008 2:56 PM PDT
I had a comcast box for a good 2 years and finally made the move to Dish Network for a number of reasons but close to the top was the comcast DVR. That was the most frustrating piece of equipment I had ever used. It would freeze all the time and the stored up commands would happen almost daily. The DVR with Dish Network is so much better. It rarely has any issues and only records the Daily Show once a day! I'm guessing TiVo series 3 is even better, but I'm happy with Dish for now. I think if you want to fix your problems you should dump Comcast all together or at least get a stand alone TiVo.
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by Fangfoo July 7, 2008 3:05 PM PDT
Umm, you know for variable end time events YOU need to change the setup to extend xx time beyond the scheduled end time for the recording. I don't really see this guys complaint as anything but user error.
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by kelo360 July 7, 2008 3:32 PM PDT
Time to DUMP COMCAST. I've had a DirecTV HDTV DVR for a couple years and I've never had a problem. Great for the HD NFL package - but that NFL is pricey!
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by jonesjohnson July 7, 2008 3:52 PM PDT
The Comcst service since the digital upgrade has been humiliateingly bad. I cannot decsribe the entirety of the various behavioral problems with the service. They should truly be ashamed. I tried to record an old judy garland movie and somehow ended up with a Denzel Washington movie, which I dedided to watch anyway, but which terminated recording 5 miutes before the end after almaost two hours of buildiong toward a dramatic climax. Just unbelievable!

WE need to get rid of these guys. They need to be fired with prejudice.

Not to defend Microsoft but why oh why did they ever discontinue their UltimateTV product? That system was outstanding and did things 5 years ago that Comcast/Tivo can't do today. Like before the "big digital upgrade" I had Picture in a Picture, a great feature that Ultimate TV /Microsoft had perfectly implemented 5 years ago. Yet after the "upgrade" (and price increase I might add) it "disappeared".

Calls to the help line resulted in comments like "oh yeah, we don't support that". Really? I had it yesterday before the "upgrade". Then please tell me why the picture in a picture buttons appear on my new "upgraded digital remote control" if your "more expensive upgraded service" doesn't support those functions which I have been using for the past several years?

These guys stink!!! Out source it all to India or China and get rid of them.
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by Edgar608 July 7, 2008 3:58 PM PDT
I don't think its the Tivo box. I have both a Series 2 and a Series 3 HD connected to Comcast. Except for the pain in the butt problem of getting the 3 episodes of The Daily Show and 3 episodes of Countdown each day I haven't found any of the other problems. The Comcast DVRs are awful. Prior to getting the Series 3 HD Tivo I had one Tivo Series 2 and one Comcast DVR. My wife refused to watch the TV with the Comcast DVR because it was so problematic. The only real problem I had with the HD Tivo was getting Comcast to install the two cable cards correctly. It took four visits from Comcast with a total of six people and about 9 hours total of Comcast people sitting in my living room at different times to finally get the cable cards working. And they are still a bit quirky at time.
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by Tallytown July 7, 2008 4:35 PM PDT
As far as I am concerned, Comcast remains in the Dark Ages when it comes to electronic equipment and features (not to mention service). I have HD via a DVR, and am always frustrated by it in one way or another. Often when I try to pause a show, and the box ignores me until it decides to listen (I know it is probably downloading content, but my wishes should get priority). Then it faithfully reacts to each button pushed trying to get its attention, and the result is nowhere near what I wanted. I'm better off recording it than trying to pause, rewind or replay "live" content. Once recorded, often the audio doesn't track with the video, which requires a pause to allow them to get back in sync. Sometimes it doesn't record the program, and when you try to view the apparent hour-and-a-half program, it crashes the DVR. In truth, the only reason I put up with it is because my lot is mostly uncleared for the natural look, but I am getting close to cutting most of the trees down to get my DishNetwork back. Dish = good service, good equipment, good channel lineup, and decent prices.
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by danimull July 7, 2008 8:21 PM PDT
Move to a Verizon FiOS area...the service and the DVR work fabulously!
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by thecomputerlady July 8, 2008 3:12 AM PDT
How about an article on the ISSUES betwen the Scientific Atlanta CableCard and Tivo. According to my provider (Cox), the reason my CableCard activation keeps failing - because of an incompatiblity between Scientific Atlanta and Tivo. It is very frustrating!
Although my account is current (with Cox), I keep losing channels because the CableCard is communicates only one way, and my authorization keeps failing.
This problem has been going on since November 2007, and despite supposed collaboration (between Scientific Atlanta and Tivo) - the problem has still not been resolved.
I am paying for service, and I have to repeatedly have someone from Cox tech support come to my home to resolve service disruptions!
Unhappy in Santa Barbara, CA.
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by JEFFaJAX July 8, 2008 6:20 AM PDT
I have the motorola comcast DVR and have not had an issue besides the remote lag until this weekend. For some reason it said my recording space was full even though I was at 13% and not recording anything. I went in and deleted one program and it brought it down to 11%. Hopefully this isnt the start of all the issues I've read about.
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by ivarsx July 8, 2008 8:56 AM PDT
As many others, I had an accumulation of frustration with the Comcast-provided Moto dual-tuner DVR and went to the TiVo HD unit (despite added hardware cost and programming info subscription). However even that doesn't beat the superior functionality of the defunct RePlay TV units I still operate (even though they only record analog stations). Features that beat TiVo (and Moto) DVRs:
1. A program guide that recognizes a repeat of a show and doesn't record it.
2. A program guide that clearly shows a show that's set to record and whether
it's in a series set.
3. Hard-programmed one-minute skip and 30-s back buttons (a feature that
caused the demise of RePlay DVRs due to attacks by media companies).
4. An on-screen indication when you've skipped forward past commercial
content.
5. A more understandable display of recorded programs and series, with a
lot less button-pushing to navigate.
6. No on-screen ads and un-wanted recordings. (Thumbs down forever!)
7. There's more.......
I still subscribe to the RePlay program guide and still look for functional old
equipment. Maybe there will be a future manufacturer of dual-tuner HD DVRs that will emulate the user-friendliness of the RePlay software.
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by jyanko July 8, 2008 11:01 AM PDT
I have Time Warner with a series 3. TW uses Switched Video for on demand and about half the HD channels. So I must use the TW DVR for Switched Video untill the switched digital video tuning resolver is available.
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by jtmonrow July 8, 2008 2:21 PM PDT
My answer to the years of difficulties I had with Comcast -- Tivo or no Tivo, TV and (alleged) broadband internet -- was bye-bye Comcast, hello FIOS.
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by Bill F. July 8, 2008 2:40 PM PDT
Direct TV HD-DVR. While it has a few maddening things is right up there with my direct TV SD-Tivo units. Well behaved, in short, nothing like this Comcast stuff.
I had Comcast before I got Direct TV. They weren't doing digital right then and it seems clear they aren't doing it correctly to this day. I'll say the #1 maddening thing about DTV's HD-DVR. They don't have two tuner buffers. That's it. YOu can record two things at one time on your two tuners but they only have one buffer so there is no easy ability to jump back and forth like you could on their TIVO unit. I get a lock up about once every two months or so. The TIVOS work like any linux based unit would, without pause for years on end.
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