February 21, 2008 4:00 AM PST

Palm Foleo: Not such a dumb concept after all?

If the sudden rush into subnotebooks by major PC vendors is any indication, it's worth considering whether Palm's Foleo wasn't such a lame idea.

Photos of a subnotebook from Hewlett-Packard, reportedly called the HP Compaq 2133, showed up on the Web recently. And another major PC vendor, Acer, is also rumored to be entering the subnotebook fray sometime soon. Neither company will confirm anything, but in the case of the HP Compaq device, an industry insider tells us the product is for real and that the company began seriously looking into the category in November 2007. When the device will come to market, however, is still a question mark.

Palm founder Jeff Hawkins (right) shows The Wall Street Journal's Walt Mossberg the Foleo.

(Credit: CNET Networks)

But there's likely to be even more news on this front in the next few months. So what's the genesis of the sudden interest in this category? It's easy to point to the Eee PC from Asus and its surprising and instant popularity. But the Eee wasn't the first to employ the broader concept of a mobile Web device that looked like a notebook PC, but was meant to function more as a secondary device. That was the idea brought to us by Palm founder Jeff Hawkins with the Foleo.

Hawkins, who invented the Palm Pilot and the Treo, insisted the Foleo was "the best idea he'd ever had." The product was roundly panned by critics and eventually dumped before it even came to market late last summer.

The idea of a small form factor computer that is tinier than a notebook with solid-state memory, running a light operating system, Web access for e-mail is being tweaked and advanced by some of the biggest names in computing.

It's happening despite the fact that it's still a vastly unproven category of computing, and previous attempts to define such a middling type of device (see: UMPC, MID) have largely failed. So what's different?

The attraction to devices like the Eee PC, and the XO from OLPC, is partly form factor, but mostly price. At $399 for the Eee and $400 for the XO (that gets one for you and one for a kid in a developing country), they're not necessarily functional as fully loaded primary PCs, but at those prices, you're not going to expect it to be. More importantly though, at that price it severely undercuts notebook PC leaders HP, Acer, Dell, and Lenovo.

Not coincidentally, the impetus for HP's experimentation in this category was its concern over the very low price tag Asus was able to stick on the Eee PC. Selling the mini-notebook at $399, even if it's a secondary PC and runs Linux, gives it a serious chance to further chip away at the already-declining average selling prices for notebook PCs. (The 2133 from HP will have an entry level model priced at $499, and will have a Via processor, we're told.)

But that kind of pricing also could represent a good opportunity for the HPs and Acers of the world. This type of subnotebook is aimed at a very narrow group of users, and that's not necessarily a bad thing, according to Stephen Baker, vice president of industry analysis for The NPD Group.

The pricing shows "it's not focused on being people's primary computer," he said. "Like the MacBook Air, like the Eee, like the Foleo was going to be. We tend to think of them in the context of other notebooks or portable devices, but they're really not designed to be a primary portable device. It's designed to be a niche product that focuses on a very specific usage model."

But what is that usage model? There's not even an agreed upon term for this category. Subnotebook? UMPC? Super mobile Internet device? Or as Intel is apparently ready to call it, Netbook? That definition is important to the consumer. The lack of clarity as to the purpose of the Foleo was a major reason it didn't strike a chord with a lot of consumers.

"The tough part is, this type of product is trying to navigate narrow space between a notebook and a smartphone. It can't compete with a smartphone in terms of price and portability, but it can outperform a smartphone," said IDC analyst Richard Shim. "But at the opposite end of the spectrum, these OEMs don't want to compete with notebooks directly because they don't want to disrupt the growth engine and significantly (hasten) the decline in ASPs."

So was the Foleo as silly as Hawkins' harshest critics said? Maybe the execution and timing was off. Or more likely, he was on to something, but wasn't quite able to take the idea to the next logical conclusion. In fairness to him, he did recognize at the time that the Foleo's utility may not have been as obvious to the mass consumer as he'd hoped.

"The further out you are, the more people have trouble understanding. It's hard to go back in time, but when we did the Pilot, there were a lot of people that thought that was a stupid idea. I mean a lot," he told CNET News.com last year.

Maybe he'll be vindicated--at least partially--on this one too.

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Actually, the Folio wasn't first
by MadLyb February 21, 2008 6:46 AM PST
Go back a few more years (like 10) and look at the HP Jornada series. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jornada Especially, the 820. Look familiar?
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Write about a dumb product, get a dumb article?
by Perry L February 21, 2008 6:57 AM PST
First a tear down of the HP Blackbird where the author does not even take the thing apart (yikes scary PC innards) and gets the name of the designer wrong (VoodooPC is HP's acquisition, not Voodoo Extreme which is a website). Then this, where you compare the EEE - an actual autonomous PC - to the Foleo which was a cell phone accessory at best.
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Still bringing up the Foleo????? Let it go.
by mmzerofan February 21, 2008 9:37 AM PST
Everyone needs to let the Palm Foleo rest in peace. It was a dumb idea then and it would be a dumb idea still. There is no way anyone can legitimately argue the EeePC or any upcoming device that is a true computer to the Foleo. They are not any where close to being in the same league. Either comparing price or features. Same with that ridiculous RedFly Windows Mobile "Companion Device" that everyone got all excited about leading up to CES.
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Foleo was ahead of its time.
by azsatellite February 22, 2008 7:35 AM PST
I believe the Foleo was a great concept that was ahead of its time. It would have been a great accessory to the Treo. However, it is rumored that it is coming back in a Linux flavor. Hope so.
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I know it makes you choke on your own bile
by b_baggins February 22, 2008 9:07 AM PST
But the sudden rush is because of the MacBook Air, which once again shows how to do a subnote right. The Foleo? It's not a subnotebook. It's an oversized PDA that can do Email. It's still a lame product.
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OK, if Internet devices are bad... explain iPhone
by Scott Gardener February 22, 2008 12:08 PM PST
The iPhone is living proof that an Internet mobile device can make it. Granted, it's got a completely different form factor, is self-contained--that is, it IS the phone instead of having to be tethered to one--and its interface is very cool-looking. And, it's not only iPod-like, but in essence IS an iPod as well. But, that aside, its sheer popularity is proof that with the right presentation, this niche is fillable. I've mulled a portable entertainment device myself. I've already got a 5th gen. "video" iPod, but it's screen is too tiny to watch anything more cinematic than cartoons, news blurbs, or Molly Wood's Buzz Report. Not wanting to change my cell phone provider to AT&T, I've eyeballed the iPod Touch. But, it's only marginally bigger. I'm also looking closely at the PlayStation Portable, but it's a bit finicky about video file support. Even if money is no object and I look at some of the better UMPCs out there, the battery life issues and minute-and-a-half boot-up times limit their usefulness as on-the-go entertainment. If Apple made an iPod Touch with a 5 or 6 inch screen, I might consider one, depending on the specs. If someone else can come out with a comparable device in concept, my ears are raised.
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the writer is underqualified as a tech blogger...
by oakie pokie February 23, 2008 5:06 AM PST
the direct competitor that is continuously brought up is the Asus EEEpc. what the "journalist" fails to realize is just what niche the EEEpc is in. it's in the hacker niche. people have been buying these to hack the hardware; ram, wi-fi, bluetooth, touch screens, etc. dont believe me? google "hacking eee pc". once you've read up on it, look up from your crapple and glance around the trendy, franchise coffee shop you're blogging from and try to find one, ONE person with an EEE pc. people dont shell out $400+ for a neutered "speak and spell, folding edition" when they can get a full up notebook for $600 and even less. in other words? the Asus EEEpc is different and anyone who tries to follow in its footsteps without even half the hackability will fail.
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