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Ask the Editors: Why don't video recorders have HDMI inputs?

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DVD recorders have HDMI out, but not HDMI in. Why the disparity?

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CNET reader "deesmac" asks:

Why doesn't a DVD recorder have an HDMI in, as well as an HDMI out?

It's a great question. High-Definition Multimedia Interface provides the advantage of passing a high-bandwidth all-digital high-definition video and audio signal on a single cable, as opposed to the tangle of component video plus audio cables that were required for HD. (If those terms are Greek to you, check out the connectivity section of the CNET TV Buying Guide.) HDMI is now the standard connector for HDTVs and all of the HD-capable components that connect to them--DVD players and recorders, DVRs, game consoles, Blu-ray and HD DVD players, and even camcorders and PCs. But all of those are video sources that only have HDMI outputs. You'll find HDMI inputs only on AV receivers, HDMI switchers, and--of course--TVs. So, why the disparity?

Not surprisingly, the dearth of HDMI inputs on recording devices is by design. The HDMI specification includes a copy-protection scheme known as High-Definition Copy Protection. So to use HDMI (and get the snazzy HDMI certification logo on your device), manufacturers need to ensure that their products are HDCP-compliant. That pretty much means that HDMI inputs are limited to display devices (TVs) and repeaters (AV receivers and switchers). Those repeaters are so-called "passthrough" devices--they can do little more than pass the HD video signal onto the next device (invariably, the TV). But, by definition, that HDCP-encoded video signal is designed to be unrecordable. That's why there are no recorders with an HDMI input. (You won't find HDMI inputs on Slingbox products for the same reason.)

So what's the alternative? Recorders with component video inputs are few and far between: Philips had component-in on its otherwise lackluster DVD recorders in years past, as did Sony on at least one model--but both companies have since dropped the feature. The upcoming Hauppauge video encoder supposedly can accept and process 1080p video via its component inputs. Likewise, several Slingbox models (as well as competing placeshifting products from Sony, Monsoon/HAVA, and Pinnacle) can accept component video--including HD streams--and pass it through to a TV or AV receiver. However, for recording you're pretty much stuck either with "closed box" HD DVRs or utilizing the so-called analog hole: the composite or S-Video output from your DVR, cable, or satellite box will still output an analog video signal--not in high-definition, of course--that's easily recordable. Which is why they're the only two inputs you'll find on your DVD recorder. (Speaking of which: make sure you use S-Video in--the quality is noticeably better than composite.)

The irony here, as usual, is that honest users who just want more convenience, better quality, and fewer wires are the losers--even as digital piracy remains as rampant as ever (thanks to PC-based recording, not set-top recorders). Still, don't expect Hollywood studios or electronics manufacturers to change their tune on this one. For the same reason, I wouldn't hold my breath for a set-top Blu-ray recorder in North America anytime soon (despite the fact that they've long been available in Japan).

That's the [relatively] quick answer. But if I'm wrong, it certainly wouldn't be the first time. If anybody knows of a recorder with an HDMI input (or even a component input), let us known of your discovery by commenting below.

Note: This post has been updated to include a reference to older Philips and Sony DVD recorders that offered component video inputs (thanks, Wes#1 and Matt).

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As Close as You'll Get
by Wilund February 22, 2008 6:10 AM PST
About as close as you're going to get to recording any hd source is the Intensity card manufactured by Black Magic. It's the cheapest hdmi capture solution you'll find on the market (for now) but it requires a fairly beefy computer to support its technology and a pci express slot.

It's not a terrible solution, but as far as convenience it has a bit to be desired.
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As Close as You'll Get
by Wilund February 22, 2008 6:10 AM PST
About as close as you're going to get to recording any hd source is the Intensity card manufactured by Black Magic. It's the cheapest hdmi capture solution you'll find on the market (for now) but it requires a fairly beefy computer to support its technology and a pci express slot.

It's not a terrible solution, but as far as convenience it has a bit to be desired.
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There are component inputs on some DVD recorders.
by Wes#1 February 22, 2008 7:20 AM PST
I used to have a Philips DVDR985 DVD recorder that had component inputs. Yes, inputs. This was not HD, of course, and the inputs only accepted an interlaced (non-progressive) signal.

That said, the DVDR985 recorder was a finicky pile of junk, like other Philips DVD equipment I've encountered. It stopped working after about 6 months and I could never get decent support from Philips (they employ clueless thick-accented phone operators off-shore reading scripts) for this DVD recorder, as well as Philips DVD player I bought. The DVDR985 is now a worthless doorstop. I'll never have another Philips-anything in my house and would not endorse buying a Philips machine just to get component input.

But I digress... I believe Philips has had component inputs on several of their recorders; other brands may (hopefully) also, but I'm sure there are restrictions such as 480i-only. Component-in is going to provide a cleaner recorded signal than S-video, and would be preferred if your camcorder (or PC) provides an output for recording this way to a DVD recorder.
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There are component inputs on some DVD recorders.
by Wes#1 February 22, 2008 7:20 AM PST
I used to have a Philips DVDR985 DVD recorder that had component inputs. Yes, inputs. This was not HD, of course, and the inputs only accepted an interlaced (non-progressive) signal.

That said, the DVDR985 recorder was a finicky pile of junk, like other Philips DVD equipment I've encountered. It stopped working after about 6 months and I could never get decent support from Philips (they employ clueless thick-accented phone operators off-shore reading scripts) for this DVD recorder, as well as Philips DVD player I bought. The DVDR985 is now a worthless doorstop. I'll never have another Philips-anything in my house and would not endorse buying a Philips machine just to get component input.

But I digress... I believe Philips has had component inputs on several of their recorders; other brands may (hopefully) also, but I'm sure there are restrictions such as 480i-only. Component-in is going to provide a cleaner recorded signal than S-video, and would be preferred if your camcorder (or PC) provides an output for recording this way to a DVD recorder.
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Why would you need HDMI or component inputs?
by gregbair February 22, 2008 6:36 PM PST
Why would you when the DVD recorder can't record in anything above 480p? That doesn't make sense. Even an upconverting DVD recorder records in SD then upconverts on playback.

I see your point about why they don't (HDCP and all), but why do they need it?
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Why would you need HDMI or component inputs?
by gregbair February 22, 2008 6:36 PM PST
Why would you when the DVD recorder can't record in anything above 480p? That doesn't make sense. Even an upconverting DVD recorder records in SD then upconverts on playback.

I see your point about why they don't (HDCP and all), but why do they need it?
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Japan set-top Blu-ray recorder?
by tebz1123 February 23, 2008 9:06 AM PST
Let's say I had the means to procure a Japan set-top Blu-ray recorder. Would would be the limitations of using it here in the US? Would it even be possible?
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Japan set-top Blu-ray recorder?
by tebz1123 February 23, 2008 9:06 AM PST
Let's say I had the means to procure a Japan set-top Blu-ray recorder. Would would be the limitations of using it here in the US? Would it even be possible?
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So, what are we mere mortals to do?
by JimOD February 25, 2008 9:41 AM PST
I have been taping football games on my old VCRs (Mitsubishi). When I am taping, I can edit them "on the fly" to remove the commercials by simply pausing the record function when the commercial begins, backing up a few frames and continuing the recording from that edit point. If I want to make a DVD of the game I can then just copy the finished (or edited) tape to DVD.

This brings up 3 questions:

1. Am I correct (as I assume) that this recording method would be impossible on a DVR recorder? and

2. When we move to all High-Def Broadcast, how is one to record the HD broadcast? and then

3. While recording in HD, how will one be able to edit out the commercials "on the fly" (so to speak) while maintaining all the HD qualities of the broadcast?

Does anybody out there make a DVR that can do this? Or, will I continue to be stuck in the dark ages with my VCRs and analog signals from the dreaded cable company?
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So, what are we mere mortals to do?
by JimOD February 25, 2008 9:41 AM PST
I have been taping football games on my old VCRs (Mitsubishi). When I am taping, I can edit them "on the fly" to remove the commercials by simply pausing the record function when the commercial begins, backing up a few frames and continuing the recording from that edit point. If I want to make a DVD of the game I can then just copy the finished (or edited) tape to DVD.

This brings up 3 questions:

1. Am I correct (as I assume) that this recording method would be impossible on a DVR recorder? and

2. When we move to all High-Def Broadcast, how is one to record the HD broadcast? and then

3. While recording in HD, how will one be able to edit out the commercials "on the fly" (so to speak) while maintaining all the HD qualities of the broadcast?

Does anybody out there make a DVR that can do this? Or, will I continue to be stuck in the dark ages with my VCRs and analog signals from the dreaded cable company?
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