July 12, 2007 10:07 AM PDT

On shovelware: A rant

HP is far from the only shovelware offender, but it's certainly among the worst. Buy a PC from any large manufacturer, and you'll likely find the desktop littered with icons for free software trials. Software companies pay hardware manufacturers to get their apps (or links to their apps) preloaded on systems so that their products sit in front of a captive audience as it powers up a new PC for the first time. This arrangement helps the software companies acquire more paying customers, and it helps the hardware manufacturers' bottom line, particularly with low-end systems where margins are supermodel thin. But does it help you, the consumer?

How many desktop icons are too many on a new PC? We'd argue 17 is too many.

(Credit: CNET Networks)

In addition to better performance, isn't part of the allure of a new PC a sparkling clean hard drive? System maintenance shouldn't be the first task you perform on a PC right out of the box. Take the HP's Pavilion Media Center m8120n we just reviewed as an example. When we powered on this otherwise excellent quad-core PC for the first time, we were greeted with 17 desktop icons. We'd deem more than half--9 of the 17--as shovelware:

1. A free 60 days of Microsoft Office may entice you to upgrade from Works 8, which comes bundled on the system. We'll give this one a pass since the m8120n is a retail system that doesn't give you the option to customize the software bundle.

2. The 60-day trial subscription to Norton Internet Security also provides some value because it provides protection for your new system right from the start. Is it too much to ask for a full year of coverage built into the price of a PC? At the very least, wouldn't that cut down on the calls to HP's customer support line?

3. The desktop shortcut to eBay is useless clutter. We're quite certain most PC users can type those four little letters into their browser when they feel the need to hawk their wares. Alternatively, you can bookmark the site should you find yourself a frequent visitor to the auction site.

4. Also useless is the Try AOL Today icon. Just send us a CD in the mail.

5. We like Vonage, but we don't like Vonage desktop icons. All this shortcut does is take you to Vonage's site. We can do that on our own, thanks.

6. The icon for HP's photo service, Snapfish, promises 25 free prints. That sounds relatively interesting until you realize that Snapfish offers 20 free prints to any first-time visitor to its site.

7. The shortcut to Rhapsody is of dubious value. If we wanted to sign up for a music subscription, we'd happily hunt on the Internet for the service that best aligns with our musical tastes, which may or may not end up being Rhapsody.

8. The MSN icon offers a three free months of Microsoft's dial-up service. This icon is not needed when you see that the Easy Internet Services and the High-Speed Services desktop icons provide links to a variety of dial-up and broadband offers from EarthLink, NetZero, Juno, and, yes, MSN.

9. Lastly, the My HP Games shortcut may provide some entertainment value if you need a break, but we'd rather have this listed among the Accessories. We don't feel an overwhelming need for one-click access to WildTangent's collection of online games.

In addition to the two ISP icons that may help you get online, we're left with six icons that merit a spot on the desktop: the Recycle Bin, HP TotalCare Advisor, Help and Support, RealPlayer, Internet Explorer, and Windows Media Center.

Instead of shoveling these apps and offers down my throat, I'd prefer HP round up all the offers from its various partners on one page on its Web site. Keep the software on your servers instead of my new hard drive. I'll even look the other way should HP include one desktop icon to such a Web page. Fair?

Which vendors do you find particularly aggressive with their preloaded apps? With the last PC you bought, did you make use of any of the trial offers, or did you just remove icons and uninstall software? Vent your shovelware frustrations here.

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A way to avoid Shovelware
by rollergold July 12, 2007 10:42 AM PDT
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The Real Way To Avoid Shovelware
by rollergold July 12, 2007 10:44 AM PDT
build your own computer from parts sites/stores like newegg.com
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Shovelware Sucks
by DJBOB July 12, 2007 10:49 AM PDT
When I purchase a new computer, I don't want to see any shovelware. Lately, whenever I get a new computer there's seems to be at least fifteen desktop icons, taskbar icons, browser toolbars, changed defaults, start menu items, etc. I end up just re-installing the OS. I like Dell's new system though - when building a PC you can choose at least some to remove at least some of the shovelware that comes with their PC's. I'd like to see at least one PC maker to give us a computer with NOTHING but the OS installed. That includes their "PC Health" programs - thanks, but some of us actually know how to keep their computers safe by themselves.
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my new Dell Ispiron was pretty full of crap
by migafre July 12, 2007 11:04 AM PDT
don't remember how much was really stupid links and programs but it was pretty bad.
Man I remember my first compputer. A Gateway 2000 133mhz. Not only did it have a ton of fully licensed programs, with the CDs (including Encarta and MS Word), it had an almost clean desktop. And if I'm not mistaken it had a full year of virus protection.

Ah the good old days!
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What's worse than shovelware is...
by beardbabe July 12, 2007 11:13 AM PDT
Hey, how come no one's mentioned the stickers affixed to the front of HP's tower pcs? There's at least FOUR of them, positing the quesion "Can your pc do this?" like my pc once was a display model in STAPLES. (My pc came straight outa da box btw.) I suppose this is meant to be advertising for any friends coming over to see my pc. What's really bad is, other than being obnoxious and ugly, is that THEY DON'T COME OFF!!! I have gluey, gummy white paper streaks where I attempted to remove them. Is this my punishment for trying to deface unwanted promotion?
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Try PCDecrapifier
by Tylas July 12, 2007 11:17 AM PDT
Try PCDecrapifier on all that crap. It's the first thing I do when I open a windows laptop and it has stuff thrown everywhere. The program attempts to revert everything back to a virgin install of Windows without all that stuff hogging resources.

Or you could buy a Mac like me! Although Apple does have it's own !Buy Me! programs (iTunes Music Store, .Mac, Quicktime, iWork, Microsoft Office) at least you can use most of them for their intended install for free without hogging resources.

- T
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CyberpowerPC..
by Kev50027 July 12, 2007 8:44 PM PDT
I got a customized computer from CyberpowerPC with little to no shovelware. It was also over $2,000 cheaper than a Dell with the exact same hardware.
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Buy an Apple
by David__Robinson July 13, 2007 2:23 AM PDT
Pretty simple, no shovel ware full stop, load Windows onto it if you need it.
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you're WAY below my threshold
by cbreifeis July 13, 2007 4:05 AM PDT
geez - if this is all you've got to ***** about, we must be in pretty good shape. yes, bloatware is mildly annoying, but it's also easily eliminated as you engage in the process of customizing the pc for your personal use. bottom line: if it reduces the price of the machine to me, i'll gladly spend a few minutes deleting those programs i don't want.
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Making A Mountain Out Of A Mole Hill
by tqat25 July 13, 2007 4:30 AM PDT
Lately I've been hearing alot of talk about so called crapware, and frankly I think it's all blown out of proportion. I'm one who likes to try new software so I'm not offended by a new computer containing this kind of material. It's not very difficult to get rid of what you don't want. As another member mentioned, and I agree, if it brings down the price of a pc, what's the big deal. Where I do see a problem is when a person who has no experience with a computer has this sort of thing on their new computer. Often new computer users or those with little computer know how find all the preloaded software and offers confusing and don't know what do with it. I think though, that most people now know enough about this kind of stuff, that they can easily get rid of it if they choose.
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Crapware? Shovelware?
by snharden July 13, 2007 4:57 AM PDT
When did we go from crapware to shovelware? It is annoying but since I build my own systems or have them custom made who cares? I don't! Although I would find it mildly annoying. New users as in people who know have little or no knowledge of computers wouldn't know how to get rid of the stuff anyway which is who its really aimed at figuring thats probably their only choices.

I also believe if I'm buying a new computer I want a pristine hard drive regardless of the price. I demand that much. If the manufacturers aren't making any money either raise prices or maybe its time to find a business to be in...
Cheers!
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Shovelware
by jtmonrow July 13, 2007 5:32 AM PDT
Please, Mr. Elliot, repeat after me: The first rule of business is that it will not do anything simply because it is good for the customer.
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some are like rootkits
by zclayton2 July 13, 2007 5:37 AM PDT
I have had difficulty removing some crapware from some n9000 series that my wife and daughter got. Most came off with normal uninstalls but thee are a few that come back no matter what I do to them. Very root kit like behavior. I could live with that but they are constantly asking for permission to access the net for access to their server. even after they are turned off in the toolbar. My wife is on her own now as she is a diehard m$ junkie. My daughter wants some m$ apps for her mp3 player, but I think when she eventually gets pwned by her surfing habits I will be putting Feisty Fawn on her machine.
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Bloatware Clean-Up Isn't Eash
by TheOldMan July 13, 2007 5:42 AM PDT
I recently bought a new Toshiba laptop which came with lots of "bloatware" installed, including McAfee security programs. I made the mistake of letting it run for the free trial period, then decided I wanted to remove it, which turned into a disaster. The computer would not boot-up, saying that a critical file was missing. After spending a considerable amount of time trying to recover, I finally gave up and used the system recovery disks that came with the computer and started fresh.

Lesson learned: #1 priority when running a new computer should be to get rid of the bloatware before it can setup all kinds of hooks which become almost impossible to remove.
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No benefit? That's why I need a shovel.
by qprize July 13, 2007 6:17 AM PDT
Last I knew, saving 50 to 100 dollars off the price of a computer was a big
benefit. If you'd rather pay more for a custom install without the advertising,
go right ahead. Advertising is everywhere, from your favorite web page to
your McDonalds cup. It can be annoying, but it pays part of the coost of what
we use. I don't see you complaining about the Dell, MS, or Circuit city ads
that litter c|net websites.

Your complaint about taking up 10 or 20MB (excluding MS Office which -
even though I hate it, is a fully functioning program, and Norton) is bogus.
When even the cheapest desktops come with 150 or 200GB hard drives, these
take up less space than your Internet cache file. Using an Internet homepage
may sound like a good idea, but it only works if you connect to the internet,
and use the specific (pre-installed) browser.

I'll save the money and practice clicking and dragging to the trash can, thank
you. I think I've spotted the real crapware here.


[Note to babebeard: A little rubbing alcohol cuts right through the glue
residue. A cleaner with alcohol in the formula is especially effective.]
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Some shovelware I'd LIKE to see!!
by RexBallard July 13, 2007 6:54 AM PDT
I'm sure Microsoft would have fits if they did this, but there are some shovelware items I'd love to see preinstalled or "quick installed".

Open Office - this one could be just one of those quick links to the actual installer. Easy enough to install, and gets even low-income users up and running on a very nice little Office suite, without the $400 price tag (for Office Professional - which has similar features).

VMWare Player and some Linux "appliances".
Probably the most painless way to get a "test drive" of Linux without having to risk losing other data on the hard drive. These appliances are typically around 1-3 gigabytes per appliance and can be easily backed up to a DVD or externel USB. This is also a great way to get more complex software that might be difficult to install/uninstall on Windows.

FireFox preinstalled. I have seen firefox preinstalled on a few machines, but it's still a nice feature to have "right out of the box".

Thunderbird - If Microsoft gets to preinstall outlook, it's only fair that the OEM should also be able to offer an alternative that doesn't catch/spread viruses so easily.

On second thought, put the e-mail into the "appliance", which means the viruses will just appear as text and won't be executed at all.

How about VMware Converter. If you like Linux, but still want Windows, run the converter to create a VM, then install Linux as the main OS, and Windows becomes the "Appliance".
That's the way I set up my Z-60p, and it's great. I especially love being able to flip between desktops, only ONE of which is dedicated to Windows.
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A case for using independent consultants
by Larsd01 July 13, 2007 7:08 AM PDT
Whenever one of my friends buys a new PC, they have it shipped directly to my house where I reformat and re-partition the drive, re-load the OS and any useful software, apply the latest updates, register whatever requires registration, and set up their internet connection and email account. Once the PC is clean and up-to-date, I phone them up, they get a usable, crapware free PC, MY (independent) recommendations as to which software to buy, and I collect some "beer money". So far, I haven't had any complaints - in fact they are happy to pay for this service.
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A "solution", but not for the faint of heart
by Russ Smith July 13, 2007 8:21 AM PDT
I recently purchased a Sony UX handtop. As annoying as shovel-ware is on desktops, imagine having a 32GB Solid State Drive with over a third of the space devoted to shovel-ware. My solution was to do a clean install of the operating system and then install only the drivers and support software needed for the specialized hardware (fingerprint reader, cameras, touch screen, etc.).

I agree with the previous comment that shovel-ware creates a "need" for independant consultants to help shovel this junk off of a new system.

I wonder how much of a system price is subsidized by shovel-ware and how much PC sellers would charge to deliver the system without it. (It sounds backwards, but it's essentially the same as buying a cell phone without a carrier.)
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HP and Vista (Microsoft)
by Aubreylo July 13, 2007 9:47 AM PDT
I feel that I as the consumer should have the choice of purchasing my hardware (In this case a Hp530 laptop) with or without the operating system. I have got to pay for an operating system that I don't want and don't need. Surely I have the right to decide what operating system I am going ton use without having to pay for an operating system like Vista Home Edition which does not even run the programs that I use. ie Delphi 7. This is pure and simply forced purchases. If I don't want it I still have to pay for it.
This is WRONG in all ways that you look at it. Bill Gates is a thief in my opinion as he has robbed me of my right to choose what I spend my money on.
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Acer laptop- no shovelware.
by mrsfixit July 13, 2007 10:03 AM PDT
I guess I got lucky.

I purchased a low end Acer notebook one year ago, and it had the OS, the Acer system utilities, and a dvd burning program as the notebook has a dvd burner.

That was it. No bloatware, no AOL, no trial software of any kind.

I don't know if this is the norm for Acer, but I have to give them credit for setting the system up like that.

All the other vendors should follow suit.
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