June 8, 2007 8:00 PM PDT

Now, that's cattle car seating

Just pack 'em in

(Credit: Airbus.com)

I've always regarded the Airbus A380 with both awe and anxiety. I'm in awe of the technological achievement of producing the world's biggest airliner, even if it lacks the graceful lines of a 747. And though I'd fly on it if I had to sit on a cardboard box, I'm still anxious about spending 14 hours crammed into a coach seat hurtling through the air with the population of a small town. But according to an Airbus exec, 500 passengers is just a drop in the bucket compared with what the behemoth place could really carry.

Like this, but tighter

(Credit: Airbus)

Speaking yesterday in Australia, Chief Commercial Officer John Leahy suggested that the A380 could be a viable option for budget airlines looking to fill hundreds of seats on the cheap. "We can do 11 abreast in coach," Leahy said. "Some have said we could split the cabins and have a high-density coach and full-service coach."

Though the plane currently is certified to carry up to 852 people (the average will be 400 to 525), stretched versions of the A380 that are currently on the drawing board could carry a mind-blowing 1,000 passengers. Wow.

Now just to give you some perspective, the 747-400 (the long-time gorilla of the sky) carries about 415 people, give or take a few. And that's in 10-abreast seating in coach. Just think about one airplane carrying double the number of bodies with each row having three seats on either side and five seats in the middle. Even with the A380's larger size, it absolutely would have a crowded feel. And here I thought Southwest Airlines was bad.

Now this is comfort

(Credit: Airbus)

I'm not about to get alarmist about how the A380 would overwhelm airports. The 747 had its critics when it made its first commercial flight in 1970 but airports adapted to it in time. Yet, 1,000 people will no doubt be a logistical challenge and airports have made adjustments for the the plane already. Just think about that security line. And in any case, I'd much prefer this concept of an A380 first class with individual cabins.

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Airbus, a name taken too literally
by iamwho June 8, 2007 10:29 PM PDT
Actually, the 747 can seat more than the 415, if you configured it as all-coach from nose to tail and fit a few seats in the hump, but airlines do like to make money flying people who would rather have more than an inch or two of legroom, hence the reason business-class and first-class exist.

Anyway, suppose the A380 actually makes it into service (it is already two years and counting behind schedule), even if the airport reconfigured the terminal to support this behemoth, it would still take an engineering degree to manage the boarding/deboarding of this flying whale.

Three, four, five, six entryways need to be engaged and even then there will be the usual obstacles: someone trying to stuff an oversized bag into an undersized bin, some slowpoke who can't figured out where seat 85A is, etc. Because of the Keystone Kops (aka TSA) we already have to be at the airport WELL before departure; now, with the A380 we have to be at the airport the day BEFORE the flight.

Wonderful.
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Qantas (Australia)
by genotypewriter June 9, 2007 2:20 AM PDT
Having personally experienced and heard (from other travellers) their infamous 3rd-degree customer service and passive racism both on-ground and in-flight, I wouldn't be surprised if they do cram 852 people to full capacity and force the passengers to check-in infants with the luggage only to be manhandled by the cargo crew who are bent by their anally-retentive (a term from Freudian Psychology) union.

Also, as evalowrain said, boarding times could become significantly longer since the crew needs to check more things. And we all know what happens when there are more things to check... the probability of having human error is higher. The chief flight steward/stewardess better have enough hair on their head to rip off.
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Ahh...bringing back steerage class
by make_or_break June 9, 2007 8:24 AM PDT
Sounds like a heap of fun...not. I suppose I shouldn't give them any ideas, but I'm surprised that Airbus doesn't suggest making the passengers STAND in order to bump that max number up even higher.

I assume Airbus is trying to drum up more customers for their Monster Plan with this 'pack 'em in like sardines' sales promotion. Sounds great...if you're into max efficiency, I suppose. Why have twice as many flights when once is enough? Perhaps it's good for the airline's bottom line, but for the flying consumer it's just another convoluted inconvenience to put up with while traveling. Not only do we have to deal with the realities of boarding and debarking of this s***load of humanity, we have to do it within the context of the post-911 era. Moreover, if the operations of this plane is meant to cut down on the number of flights, then it also cuts down on the number of options for us--the flying public--to choose from.

Yeah, the A380...al-Qaeda must be frothing at the mouth over these elephants.
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Sardines anyone?
by Kushojin June 9, 2007 10:56 AM PDT
I already hate the flying experience and try to avoid it as much as possible. On a recent flight on a Boeing 767, I felt a little claustrophobic on one of these ....

I hope that the airlines will be including valium with every ticket.
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Airbus A380 you are missing the bus
by gbooth2000 June 11, 2007 1:58 PM PDT
The plane is a masterful achievement of engineering and the configuration of it means that it can have on board a MAXIMUM of 852 seats not it has to with the present small jets used seating space is a normal max of 30" if you are lucky, it is much bigger and therefore not as claustrophobic as the smaller craft. Everything on the plane is wider so the problems should be much less as long as flyers just do not stop and stare open mouthed!
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envy that's your yankee name...
by anton.vanwamelen June 14, 2007 12:14 AM PDT
because it's not all american , they write it down as faést they could those yankees, why? because there are other poeple in the world than americans? come on don't be so chauvenistic, I just to sit also crammed up in your 'fabulous 747's...
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I guess the world thinks bigger is better...
by ejsharkey June 14, 2007 6:07 AM PDT
Does it really matter? No matter how you look at it, the plane isn?t any faster then the next biggest commercial airliner. The 380 is designed for hub to hub transportation, i.e. London to say Los Angeles. They also say having the bigger jets will replace several smaller jets, well yes and no, most likely the smaller jets will be transferred to different market segments. Airports will have to redesign their boarding procedures and infrastructure to accommodate the big jets. Regardless, you will still be flying for 12 ? 15 hours or longer with up to 850 other passengers. Boarding will take twice as long meaning once you get your seat you might still have another hour or longer before takeoff baring any delays that is. That would add 2 or more additional hours to an already crowded long flight. Not to mention that you now have 851 ways to catch a virus or some other unpleasant medical condition. I guess bigger is better.
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